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Hello Fiona,

Maybe you can dig up one of the smaller ones, or cut off a bit of one and take it to your local garden center and see if they can tell you what it is ( and how to dispose of it as well).

in general vines once removed are not suckering type regrowth creatures...so i would hesitate to say they have much to do with your original grape vines....

to kill... you have still time to spray with a glysophte based weed killer...eg roundup...see alex and lyns posting on weeds.... however... if they are at all woody i would buy something like a stump killer... this is a chemical you pour onto tree stumps which then enters the root system and kills all known plant growth...sorry ...due to local wines etc etc..brain cells are dissapearing mainly the memory ones... and a cannot for the life of me remember a commercial or chemical name.. whoever said this was a healthy place to live...its just you cannot remember what healthy was...anyway your local agri chemical shop will give you what you want..... if you have no confidence in your italian capability of explaining ...take the leaf there... he/she will soon give you the right medicine

[QUOTE=Flyingveepixie]In our garden we have about a dozen or so vines all just randomly scattered around. However when we got the place last year there were heaps of chopped up/dug up vines all over the garden, suggesting that the previous owner had a lot more vines origionally. BUT..... what we do have ,is the mystery vine/tryfid thingys, and these in great profusion . They creep wildly and rampantly all over the garden. They look extemely similar to normal vines but the leaves are a bit different. The have huge mature roots and seem invinsible. Are they some kind of offshoot of the real vines and how can we get rid of them ?? Has anyone got the slightest idea what I'm talking about!?
Fiona[/QUOTE]
This could be (a) a cultivated vine gone wild in which case they grow all over the ground like lianas one solution is to cut it back to near where it comes out of the ground and tie it up on posts they sometimes can start even to fruit again with care .alternatively (b) it could be what are called canadian vines these do not produce grapes are often used for decorative purposes pergola's etc idem abandoned and now over the ground or it could be the terrible "vita arbore" a liana kind of growth this is part of the family of the clematis these are terrible and difficult to get rid of and are best dealt with using chemical products as said.

I think Sebastiano is right. They are weeds. They keep appearing on our land even though Kevin rotavates on average 3-4 times a year.

Thanks for your suggestions folks ! I think we'll try some "Round-up " or something similar, on them in the spring and see how that works. However I have my resevations as the roots are huge and very woody.
Fiona