I forgot to mention that the
Submitted by rosanella on Thu, 05/24/2012 - 09:08In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I forgot to mention that the Consulate in London do not provide information about IMU. Il the Comune (in Gaeta-LT) cannot help with working out my IMU (I don't understand why they cannot help; really baffled ) , I have to resort to a commercialista. But where can I find one? The Chamber of Commerce??? I found however a better form here which seems to me more complete than the one I saw on the Gaeta's Town Hall website (it includes 2nd home and other things).
IMU F24
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Thu, 05/24/2012 - 11:12In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
stevegwmonkseaton, >have a
Submitted by rosanella on Thu, 05/24/2012 - 12:29In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
have a look at this
Thanks for that Someone suggests the Abruzzo's forum so I'm checking with both calculators ( and ). >http://www1.agenziaentrate.it/inglese/italian_taxation/payments_of_tax.htm
That's great It's beginning to make sense and all come into place. Thank you very much for the links. ( I don't seem to be able to reach their telephone number 848.800.444 I've tried with and without the 0039 but no joy). >.. for a comercialista, but think if you know the rendita and use >one of the calc sites it will be near enough. I've found my reddito catastale and if all I need is to calculate IMU with the online calculator, then it should be all straightforward. I think and hope so.
Many thanks
Oh and here for a comercialista
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Thu, 05/24/2012 - 11:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
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Has the comune set its budget? If they havent yet decided the rate you will pay then they wont be able to help you. You shouldbe paying half of your third at .76 in June, the rest in December. If the comune decide to set a higher quota, then you pay the rest plus the difference in December.
Budget? No idea!
Submitted by rosanella on Fri, 05/25/2012 - 12:08The official..
Submitted by sprostoni on Fri, 05/25/2012 - 14:14In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
this might
Submitted by Rickardo on Fri, 05/25/2012 - 18:23In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You can get the "modulo F24"
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Sat, 05/26/2012 - 02:43In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Rolling out
Submitted by sprostoni on Sat, 05/26/2012 - 04:26In reply to You can get the "modulo F24" by Gala Placidia
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Must fill out PF/2012 and F24
Submitted by rosanella on Sat, 05/26/2012 - 06:09In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Well, I've just spoken to a couple of operators on the helplines at and, as I've discovered, there is a declaration to be made on income/properties et all and fill out PF/2012 by 30 September. Note: only parts RB (Quadro RB) and RN (Quadro RN) need filling out for non-residents, along with personal data ('Dati anagrafici'): Unico PF/2012 software is here The IMU, instead, must be paid by 18 June for the first bit and the forms can be found here (as Ram pointed out in previous post--thank you :) ) Good calculators can be found here and here
In reply to Must fill out PF/2012 and F24 by rosanella
Just received our F24 and been on the Agenzia del Territorio to try and find out how much our house is worth - and they don't have any information on it in their archives! Great. So now how to I find out how much it is worth. We bought it for a pittance in 2005 and had it done up then but locals seem to make-up their own prices when they come to sell round here so how do I get its true worth and make sure we don't pay too much IMU?
In reply to Must fill out PF/2012 and F24 by rosanella
Just received our F24 and been on the Agenzia del Territorio to try and find out how much our house is worth - and they don't have any information on it in their archives! Great. So now how to I find out how much it is worth. We bought it for a pittance in 2005 and had it done up then but locals seem to make-up their own prices when they come to sell round here so how do I get its true worth and make sure we don't pay too much IMU?
F24 and calculations
Submitted by twentyknots on Mon, 05/28/2012 - 06:55In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Here in Bagni di Lucca the local taxes are now online, allegedly! OK, so I log on to htpp://bagnidilucca.aegonline.it and guess what? Firefox rejects the site as insecure because it does not comply with the security checks: uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided. (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer) Great! So I use another browser where I can bypass this and create an account - but that's not the end of it, now I have go to the Kafka style office, take a lie detector test and recite all my ID card details from memory. THEN they give me a PIN! Maybe just maybe I might find some information online about my IMU (now also called IMP) - why can't they just send me a bill like they do for TARSU (this was late)? Apparently AEG have been employed to create the online service, but they have failed spectacularly, see this horror story: I would like to know what 'Aliquota stabilita dal Comune' applies, it will probably be the maximum permitted, 0.96%, then I calculate IMU = %/100 x C x 168 where C is the catastale value. As a resident then it's 0.4% and you subtract €200 from the tax. Obvious really! I think I forgot to do ICI last year, no reminder of course, does anyone know what the overdue interest rate is for ICI/IMU/IMP?
This website is very good for
Submitted by Penny on Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:31In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
This website is very good for caluclating IMU as it does all types, even for agricultural land: Just remember that if your comune has not announced the quota for 2012 then use 0.76% for second homes etc and 0.4% for main homes which are the defualts on the site. Here is the new simplified form for IMU from the tax office: Rosanella - the Unico PF/2012 you refer to is the annual tax return (ie separate from the IMU declaration) which you may or may not need to complete. Just in case anyone thought they had yet another thing to fill out.
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From 1 June the new 'simplified' F24 is available from the Agenzia website. Its still as complicated as possible, but its only one page. however the tribute codes are now released, it is not clear who gets what - state or comune. At least they have announced that there will be no sanctions if the June payments are wrong!
Well.........
Submitted by sprostoni on Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:08Twentyknots, you need your
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:26In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Twentyknots, you need your "rendita catastale", which appears on the"visura", not the cadastral value. THere is a lady called Fina, in a little office near the Tourist Office, on the main street, who can help. Ask at the Tourist Office and they will tell you. This year it is quite complicated. It is better to seek help, even if you have to pay a small amount. She may be able to advise you regarding your fine for not paying last year's ICI.
We must be very fortunate
Submitted by steve jackie on Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:20In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
We must be very fortunate here in Friuli. Our commune website calculates the amount and then provides a modulo for your personal data. This then links to the F24 which is filled automatically with the correct codes and amounts. After printing this can be taken to the bank post office or agenzia entrate for payment. I transferred the data from this F24 to the F24 on my bank website and payed online. All in all this was much easier than I thought it would be. Steve
Same as Steve Jackie our
Submitted by pas55 on Fri, 11/02/2012 - 12:05In reply to We must be very fortunate by steve jackie
It has not been that
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Fri, 06/01/2012 - 02:30In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It has not been that complicated before; however, in the case of Bagni di Lucc and due to the recent elections, the previous council did not leave a clear percentage to use and it may be modified for the second semester. For this reason, you can only pay the first semester rates and adjust them when the second one is due. We hope that next year things will go back to normal and I also expect some changes in the procedure.
Not complicated?
Submitted by Ram on Fri, 06/01/2012 - 02:50In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I beg to differ! Nowhere can I find how much is payable to the comune and how much to central govt. As this must be made clear on the new F24 I am stuck. If you were paying in one go you could put 0101 in the rateazione box - but you cant pay in one go this year so you must put in 0102, but if you are paying in 3 tranches, that is not valid either, but there is no code for 3 tranches...... etc etc etc
caor blimey
Submitted by sprostoni on Sun, 06/03/2012 - 00:53In reply to Not complicated? by Ram
Yes, in our case, the bank
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Sun, 06/03/2012 - 02:38In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
As you cannot pay in one go this year - (conguaglio in December) the bank should have written 0102 in the box - and in December you would write 0202... As I said - its a mess. (Im being a knowall because my commercialista has a software for this and so I had a lesson!) However, in the case of a second house it is 50% to the comune and 50% to the state - codes EL and ER.
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theres the rub
Submitted by Ram on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 02:58In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Call a friend who will pay in ITaly - you must pay by F24 or similar in a bank or PO. (In italy obviously. YOu have until 18 JUne for the first tranche. So fill in the form, email to a willing person who will pay on your behalf and you reimborse them. If you have a willing bank manager it can be debited directly from your account.
Well ............
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 08:02In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Already got an italian friend working on helping me. His response this morning was;- "I´m not surprised you found info on how much to pay but not how! That´s typical ..... However, for your info we are still waiting for our fiscal adviser to come back to us telling us how much to pay and how!!! Furthermore, just for your info, the new law has been drawn in such terrible way that, even if you pay with a 12 months delay, the maximum fine should be in the region of about 5 Euro!!! I will update you before the 16th ....." He has found something on my comune's website - apparently as a foreigner I mustpay by bank transfer - [2 payments, one, for half,to the government and another half to the comune], and probably can only pay half of the totalin June and another half in December [4 Transfer charges!] He's getting clarification from the comune [if the respond] Hey Ho!
Pay IMU online banking
Submitted by rosietat on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 08:03In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You can find the F24 form when you log on to your bank, fill it in on line and the money comes out of your account. If you make any mistakes it tells you where...magic!! I can't believe how little it is for a Prima Casacompared to the ICI. I don't see how this will bail out the economy, or what all the fuss was about. If one has children it would seem they will owe you money.
Bankrupt!!! Just sorted out
Submitted by Badger on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 08:46In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Life is too short
Submitted by twentyknots on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 09:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I really cannot believe all this, it's like Alice in Wonderland or a work by Kafka (who worked for a year at the , an insurance company!), no wonder the euro is on the skids! If I owe the Comune or the State tax on my house in Italy then they should send me a BILL! They know how to calculate IMU or whatever they want to call it now, because, unlike personal income tax, it is calculated using data that is available to their staff. Why on earth should I do their work for them? If the penalties are derisory, and it seems to be the case that they are simply a very small interest charge, then I will simply await a bill. When and if it arrives then I can pay it online in the comfort of my home. I will not queue up in some dingy office and be told to go to another dingy office where there might be a lady who might be able to fill in the form and who will expect to be tipped, then go to a post office, where they are very rude, and wait in another queue. Madness....
I tend to agree
Submitted by sprostoni on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 10:41In reply to Life is too short by twentyknots
Apparently, itis not 'their' job to collect taxes, it is YOUR job to pay taxes (!!!!!!!!!!!!) Yes, it could be handled a tiny bit better , there is a facility on the bank that I'm with (Banca della Marche) whereby you can fill the F24 in online (after you have done the calculations. I have to say, if someone sends me a bill andI feel it is valid I pay it. It is just the ridiculous mess of understanding the calculations and THEN..............adjusting it to accommodate their 'new' calculations which are to be made in September !! It's a good un !! S
WTF?????
Submitted by La Dolcevita on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 11:06In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
IMU increase over ICI
Submitted by belvedere on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 18:42In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I pay IMU for various non-resident friends - their commercialista emails me the F24 and I make the payments online, which is quick and straightforward. So far, the two I have paid have beensignificantly higher than theamount paid for the June payment last year - 754 instead of434, 856 instead of 492.
How do you pay IMU online?
Submitted by rosanella on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:37In reply to IMU increase over ICI by belvedere
That sounds correct,
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 02:18In reply to IMU increase over ICI by belvedere
Paying IMU online
Submitted by belvedere on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 04:23In reply to That sounds correct, by Gala Placidia
The two online banking systems that I use both have a section for payment using the F24 form. It pops up, with some of your details already entered. You then just have to add the additional information from the F24 supplied by the accountant and click on make payment. You can print the form for your records and you can also download and print a record of payment (quietanza di versamento) Gala, I agree that even the higher rate of IMU is a reasonable price to pay (especially when compared to property tax levels in the UK and California, for example) and those that I quoted are for luxury homes with non-resident owners so many home owners e.g. Badger will be paying much lower rates.
JaneFAB, its rendita
Submitted by steve jackie on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 06:42In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
get the visure
Submitted by Ram on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 07:22In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Does anyone know how many
Submitted by qui già on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:54In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Does anyone know how many square metres you have to have to be eligible. I have been told today that a friend doesn't have to pay it as her house is too small, mine is smaller than hers so I am hoping I am exempt as well. Also my dustbin tax is halved as the bin is more than 500m from my house (502m to be exact) works for me!
IMU-F24
Submitted by casa del campanile on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 08:34In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks to all for the info posted regarding obtaining the forms, payment, etc. We went to our PO this AM (Licciana) and picked up their version of the F24. We were told "you have until July 8 to pay the first tranche" and that there are changes in the codici so we should go to the commune ("Patronato") to get the "new" info. Anyone else receive such instructions, true, false, or otherwise? thanks, Fred
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
What i did was to call the Comune who gave me the names and numbers of two agencies who will calculate IMU (at least in this part of Marche).They were CIA and Confartigianato. i called the second as they were nearer, they quoted me 10 euros and I gave them my and my wife's CF. We went there the next day, the guy worked outour IMU (having got all the catastal info from the comune as I had none here in Italy- we are non-resident)and didn't even charge as he knew someone who we knew blah blah.. So far so good. BUT we have to pay about THREE times our old ICI! Can this be right?? How much more are others paying on seconda casa?
Ourcommercatista works it
Submitted by Angie and Robert on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:36In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
IMU and F24
Submitted by Blue and Mon on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 09:01In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
We are resident in the UK but have an apartment in Italy and when we were there the other week I had expected to find a bill for the IMU, in the way that the council tax bill arrives without fail every year over here. However, there was nothing, so Istarting to look into it and had a slight panic attack last week when I read in the local paper online that the deadline for submitting and paying your IMU tax is 18th June. Things got better whenI found a very useful site for information and calculation of the IMU: You only need to know the rendita catastale to be able to use the calculation, and this was on our purchase documents. The site also shows you exactly what to put on the F24 form. I then went to the Agenzia Entrate site, only to find that whilst itispossible to pay online, it is not possible to pay by credit card (how helpful is that?). You can pay if you have an current account at one of an enormous list of banks, but you have to register on the site and in order to do that, they will give you half your PIN number online and send the other half by post to your address within 15 days...! So, I know how muchwe have to pay andwe have a current account in Italy, buthow dowe pay the Agenzia Entrate? Ifwe just do a bank transfer, what account dowe send it to and how dowe attach the completed F24 form? Or shallwe just wait until a friend is going over to our apartment in early July and ask him to go to the Post Office and pay it in return for using our apartment for a week??? Any ideas, particularly those I can action in the next week, would be most gratefully received. I can't imagine we are the only ones in this situation. MONICA
Monica, if you have online
Submitted by steve jackie on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 09:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks very much, Steve. I
Submitted by Blue and Mon on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 09:06In reply to Monica, if you have online by steve jackie
Thanks very much, Steve. I have just accomplished what was looking like a seemingly impossible task. I went onto our online bank account, selected IMU, there was the form, I entered all the info I had obtained from the other site and pressed the INVIA button. I have printed out the receipt, but apparently it will be transferred by 15th June. Three days in hand! Wow -just made it!